Lubricant Grade For 308, always use the right right ACEA grade Options

[ahwan308]

may i ask if as long as it's 5W-30 or 0W-30, it should be fine for 308 regardless of the brand ie. Total or Syntium or Amsoil?

The answer is 'YES' as long as the oil complies with Performance Standard Criteria, such as API, ACEA, etc specifications. [see earlier posting]. I'm using MOBIL-1

[ahwan308]

Hi.
is there a black and white of the above quote from the Nassim Marketing Manager?

YES. I've got it.

[azhelmy]

I called the above no. and managed to get the Total salesman no. 019-2407437 (Ang). He said we still can get the Quartz 9000 5W30. The shop is in Bridgestone, Bandar Tun Razak, Cheras. Price is 187 for 4 litres.

haiyak...must go to cheras? hq total in pj got no stock meh?

[weiseong]

YES. I've got it.

Thanks Andy, Inter and Uncle D.
I think i'm convinced enough to use a 4L xW30 engine oil for my lion

but, i think there should be a collected effort to contact Peugeot in France to inform them of our concern.
They should be informed of us, owners, being deprived of specialized information and technical supports.
maybe they can help us put pressure on Nassim?

[samt81]

Good question tshui.. Thanks. I was curious about this too.

Is it because there are limited brand which carry xW-30 , or must Peugeot only use certain brands of oil?

hi, the most important thing is not the brand but the spec which is acea a5/b5.

[khlee23]

I think 3.8liter is for 206 Bestari engines...
308 [VTi, THP and GT] need 4.25liters if the oil filter cartridge is replaced.

Ahwan is right. The same SA later apologised to me for giving me wrong info. He said all 308 needs 4.25L. But since I only have a bottle of 4L oil, he said it is fine too. If I need to top up just do it myself. In short, KS is very flexible with customer situation. I will definitely go there again for my next service even though I live nearer to Glenmarie and GeotAuto SC. Both SC used W40 oil and yet does not allow customer to bring their own W30 oil.

I have also instructed them to flush the milky coolant> Now it is flesh blue color coolant which look much better.

After the service, I can feel my engine is more quieter and more powerful. Will monitor its FC.

Cheers//KH

[hakimi79]

Ahwan is right. The same SA later apologised to me for giving me wrong info. He said all 308 needs 4.25L. But since I only have a bottle of 4L oil, he said it is fine too. If I need to top up just do it myself. In short, KS is very flexible with customer situation. I will definitely go there again for my next service even though I live nearer to Glenmarie and GeotAuto SC. Both SC used W40 oil and yet does not allow customer to bring their own W30 oil.

I have also instructed them to flush the milky coolant> Now it is flesh blue color coolant which look much better.

After the service, I can feel my engine is more quieter and more powerful. Will monitor its FC.

Cheers//KH

how much the cost of 10000km service at KS not including BYO oil?

[ahwan308]

how much the cost of 10000km service at KS not including BYO oil?

RM64.70 only [for the oil filter cart. and drain plug washer]

p/s For BYO : besides the right viscosity, make sure the oil complies with Performance Standard Criteria

[azhelmy]

RM64.70 only [for the oil filter cart. and drain plug washer]

p/s For BYO : besides the right viscosity, make sure the oil complies with Performance Standard Criteria

64rm for oil filter cart? that's quite expensive...

[intermilan]

I believe Total 5w-30 oil can also be bought from WH Auto at Jln Kuchai Lama.
Less than 10 minutes drive from KS Bluebox Jln Chan Sow Lin.

They should have the stock with them.

They also have other Total products, but maybe not for the 308.

This is their contact number - 03-79834920

Additional info..

Total Quartz 9000SM 5w-30 sold in M'sia (made in S'pore) is certified with this:
• API SM/CF (API Donut)
• ILSAC GF-4 (Starburst Certification Symbol) ~ fuel economy
• ACEA A1-98 ---> A1 = Low friction/low viscosity, fuel economy

if 308 EP6xx engine required the use of engine oil certified to ACEA A5 standard.. then this engine oil is not suitable.

Therefore even if you are using engine oil with the right weight i.e. either 5W-30 or 0W-30, which one i'm not 100% sure, you still need to ensure its ACEA certification is right (so does its API) as not all xW-30 engine oil is equal.

Earlier, Ahwan had shared this:

If u want to use TOTAL Lubricants, the following are recommended:
1. TOTAL QUARTZ ENERGY 0W 30 --> ACEA 2004 : A3 / B4 & API : SL / CF
2. TOTAL QUARTZ INEO ECS -------> STANDARD ACEA 2007 A3/B4


Unfortunately, both oils probably not yet being manufactured by Total in Singapore (only in France/EU). So availability of these oil in M'sia is very questionable and even if they are available, the price will most probably be sky-high.

[wpchin]

I wonder why Toyota, Honda, VVTI-L , I-Vtec all able to use Mineral --> Fully synth?

Is EP6 so sensitive? It's still made of Auminium Alloy.

[Andy214]

Additional info..

Total Quartz 9000SM 5w-30 sold in M'sia (made in S'pore) is certified with this:
• API SM/CF (API Donut)
• ILSAC GF-4 (Starburst Certification Symbol) ~ fuel economy
• ACEA A1-98 ---> A1 = Low friction/low viscosity, fuel economy

if 308 EP6xx engine required the use of engine oil certified to ACEA A5 standard.. then this engine oil is not suitable.

Therefore even if you are using engine oil with the right weight i.e. 5W-30 (or 0W-30, which one i'm not 100% sure), you still need to ensure its ACEA certification is right as not all 5W-30 engine oil is equal.

Earlier, Ahwan had posted this:

"If u want to use TOTAL Lubricants, the following are recommended
1. TOTAL QUARTZ ENERGY 0W 30
2. TOTAL QUARTZ INEO ECS"

Unfortunately, both oils are not yet being manufactured by Total in Singapore (only in France/EU). So availability of these oil in M'sia is very questionable and even if they are available, the price will most probably be sky-high.

intermilan,

Total Quartz Energy 0W30 = ACEA A3/B4
Total Quartz INEO ECS 5W30 = ACEA C2 & A5/B5

Total Quartz 9000 5W40 = ACEA A3/B4 (not authorised to use on EP engines due to viscoscity even the standard is similar with Quartz Energy).

What about Total Quartz 9000 xW30?

More information on all Total Lubricants:
http://recherche.quickfds.com/cmt_bin/wfds...Cli=&Valeur[NO]=&NPro=quartz+9000


By the way, we can also check what Lubricant the Mini Cooper uses.

[ahwan308]

Therefore even if you are using engine oil with the right weight i.e. either 5W-30 or 0W-30, which one i'm not 100% sure, you still need to ensure its ACEA certification is right (so does its API) as not all xW-30 engine oil is equal.

Correct. The oil shall also comply with Performance Standard Criteria. Minimum ACEA A3 and/or C2

Not all TOTAL_oils are suitable for 308 [VTi, THP and GT]. According to Peugeot Australia website the following TOTAL oil are NOT recommended for use in 308 engines [THP and VTi]
1. TOTAL Quartz 5000 15W 40
2. TOTAL Quartz 7000 10W 40
3. TOTAL Quartz 9000 5W 40

[ahwan308]

I wonder why Toyota, Honda, VVTI-L , I-Vtec all able to use Mineral --> Fully synth?
Is EP6 so sensitive? It's still made of Auminium Alloy.

T & H are still using relatively primitive engines compared to EP6, EP6-DT,EP6-DTs... EP6-xxx.
EP6-series engines have very small tolerance.

[tshui]

if 308 EP6xx engine required the use of engine oil certified to ACEA A5 standard.. then this engine oil is not suitable.

so far from what I gathered, those oil conform to ACEA A5 standard are:

1. TOTAL QUARTZ INEO ECS, 5W-30, RM???
2. MOBIL 1 EP, 5W-30, 4.7L (5 quarts) RM200 -> myoilstore
3. AMSOIL ASL, 5W-30, 4.7L (5 quarts) RM200 -> myoilstore
4. AMSOIL SSO, 0W-30, 4.7L (5 quarts) RM240 -> myoilstore
5. PETRONAS SYNTIUM 5000, 0W-30, 4L pack RM233 -> petronas website

i'm not sure this will help us 308 owners... i may be wrong and it's for reference only. better to check with all the sifus here or to check with the respective oil company.

[intermilan]

Andy,

The normal Total Quartz 9000SM 5w-30 sold in M'sia (certified ACEA A1-98) is not suitable for the 308.
308 EP6 engine need ACEA A3 minimum.

So far (that i know), only two Total engine oil can use with the EP6 (as per mentioned by ahwan).

Actually, this topic already ding dong so long until page 5 .... when the obvious answer has been shared by ahwan in page 1, post #8.

I urged everyone to visit that posting again. And make the chart as your Windows desktop or al least your screensaver..

But that is only for Total oil. For owners who prefer other brands, just make sure your preferred / beloved engine oil fully satisfied the EP6 engine requirements.



wpchin,

the requirement to use particular engine oil grade/spec is more due to specific requirement of the engine.
so... the word sensitive ain't correct. but that's up to your perception lah.

and things usually get a little messy when we want to seek out the truth, especially in a forum, more so in an active forum like Peugeot forum. memang havoc la sini...

honda, toyota engine is their engine and up to them to recommend / allowed what engine oil to use.
super great if camry or accord engine can just use any brand, specs, grade, mineral or semi oil all can.. el-cheapo maintenance.. great flexibility. We all know about the superiority of the Japanese technology here.

nevertheles, since this is peugeot engine.. peugeot reserved the right to advise owners (actually they owe it to the owner) what is the correct / best engine oil to use with the engine in order to ensure correct operation and fully maximisation of the engine (potential).

in fact, i think this way is better coz now owner know exactly what engine oil grade/spec to use (and what not to). And how much it cost too! Auch!

As posted before, this is due to certain specific engine operation requirements.
Example, this is due to the operation requirements of the on-demand oil pump used in the EP6 engine.
Btw, EP6 also use on-demand water pumps too.
Surely camry and accord engine have both of these too.
VVTi/VVTL/TVTVTC etc engine sure got all these and many more marvelous engineering accomplishment.

Peugeot recommended the INEO (low sap) engine oil in order to optimise the performance of the particulate filter (reduce the emission of toxic gases as one of its benefits). But this is much less important here..

[Andy214]

Andy,

The normal Total Quartz 9000SM 5w-30 sold in M'sia (certified ACEA A1-98) is not suitable for the 308.
308 EP6 engine need ACEA A3 minimum.

So far (that i know), only two Total engine oil can use with the EP6 (as per mentioned by ahwan).

intermilan,

Thanks for the information. This Quartz 9000 SM 5W30 seems only available in Malaysia/Singapore or some Asian countries, cannot find it in Total International site.

There's another one suitable for 308, which is the Total Quartz Future 5W30, which is ACEA A5 standard.

So to conclude, for now, the information obtained so far is:
1. Viscosity of 5W30 or 0W30, AND
2. Minimum ACEA A3 standard or higher.

P/S: I wonder what oil they're using for the Lion Save Package? I heard it HAS to be Petronas, but not sure which one..........................

[intermilan]

so far from what I gathered, those oil conform to ACEA A5 standard are:

1. TOTAL QUARTZ INEO ECS, 5W-30, RM???
2. MOBIL 1 EP, 5W-30, 4.7L (5 quarts) RM200 -> myoilstore
3. AMSOIL ASL, 5W-30, 4.7L (5 quarts) RM200 -> myoilstore
4. AMSOIL SSO, 0W-30, 4.7L (5 quarts) RM240 -> myoilstore
5. PETRONAS SYNTIUM 5000, 0W-30, 4L pack RM233 -> petronas website

i'm not sure this will help us 308 owners... i may be wrong and it's for reference only. better to check with all the sifus here or to check with the respective oil company.

great info bro!

but ACEA A3 also can right?.. no need to limit to ACEA A5 engine oil (surely super expensive!).

p/s: INEO (from Total AsiaPacific/S'pore website) only conform to ACEA A3/B4 spec. This is the INEO that i've been referring to. Found out this is specific for VW group cars (INEO 504-507). The INEO ECS that was referred by Peugeot Australia maybe direct from France and i dont think its available here. There is even INEO MC3 developed for BMW and Merz cars. All of them are 5w-30 oil.

[samt81]

great info bro!

but ACEA A3 also can right?.. no need to limit to ACEA A5 engine oil (surely super expensive!).

p/s: INEO (from Total AsiaPacific/S'pore website) only conform to ACEA A3/B4 spec. This is the INEO that i've been referring to. Found out this is specific for VW group cars (INEO 504-507). The INEO ECS that was referred by Peugeot Australia maybe direct from France and i dont think its available here. There is even INEO MC3 developed for BMW and Merz cars. All of them are 5w-30 oil.

hi all ,
great info ! cheers buddy.

The next round shld discuss bout AL4 GEAR BOX OIL ( ATF ) !

any direct replacement or alternative atf oil ?

[Andy214]

hi all ,
great info ! cheers buddy.

The next round shld discuss bout AL4 GEAR BOX OIL ( ATF ) !

any direct replacement or alternative atf oil ?

The ATF oil is working fine and no misleading/confusing information like the Engine Oil for EP engines. So best advice is just to stick to the recommended/authorised ATF.

The original is by ESSO; The direct replacement is available from Total.

If somehow someone itchy wanna try others , do it at your own risk.
Not saying it won't work, but some people prefer to be on the safe side, while some prefer to try and take risk and if they believe the spec is similar; Recommending is one thing, giving guarantee/warranty is another.

The current ATF is working fine except the price is expensive. But fine is not enough for many people, including those from T & H, sometimes itchy try some other ATF and most of the time get some freebies along the way.

Anyway, the simple rule: if you're not going to follow manufacturer's recommendation, use at your own risk.