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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:27 AM

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QUOTE (ckwg @ Jan 23 2012, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So should service at every 5K with mineral oil?

I heard very conflicting advice from ppl I asked, both online and face to face...confused...


Ask yourself. Who are the people telling you Mineral last 5K and Synthetic 10K? I bet those people who tell you that are either:
1. Form 5 drop out who are now mechanic
2. Synthetic oil salesman out to sell their product giving all sorts of excuses.
3. People spreading rumors as truth because the above 2 people told them that. They can't think for themselves.

And I can bet with you no self respecting automotive engineers, qualified oil specialist, professional car magazine articles will tell Mineral oil 5K and Synthetic 10K nonsense. Because there are no such thing.

There is a discussion on Mineral vs Synthetic here:
http://forum.autowor...showtopic=98710
I prefers to use my head than follow the crowd. After all, it is my money and not theirs.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:30 PM

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QUOTE (Tourist @ Jan 24 2012, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ask yourself. Who are the people telling you Mineral last 5K and Synthetic 10K? I bet those people who tell you that are either:
1. Form 5 drop out who are now mechanic
2. Synthetic oil salesman out to sell their product giving all sorts of excuses.
3. People spreading rumors as truth because the above 2 people told them that. They can't think for themselves.

And I can bet with you no self respecting automotive engineers, qualified oil specialist, professional car magazine articles will tell Mineral oil 5K and Synthetic 10K nonsense. Because there are no such thing.

There is a discussion on Mineral vs Synthetic here:
http://forum.autowor...showtopic=98710


Hi Tourist,

I read your other post in the Mineral vs Synthetic thread. So now I know that Synthetic last as long as Mineral, thanks!

So if the service booklet says it is ok to service every 10K then it should fine then? And the decison to use mineral vs semi vs fully syn is purely depending whether we believe the content and additives can bring us the extra engine performance?



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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:54 PM

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:56 PM

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 11:24 PM

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QUOTE (ckwg @ Jan 25 2012, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Tourist,

I read your other post in the Mineral vs Synthetic thread. So now I know that Synthetic last as long as Mineral, thanks!

So if the service booklet says it is ok to service every 10K then it should fine then? And the decison to use mineral vs semi vs fully syn is purely depending whether we believe the content and additives can bring us the extra engine performance?


Synthetic can withstand higher temperature etc without breaking down (but we are not likely to encounter this in our climate even for Mineral for normal use). They are more slippery and some people may feel their car being 'lighter' or more powerful. Even slightly better fuel consumption. Personally, I do not find the high cost justify all these advantages but some people have money to burn.

IMO, unless you drive your car in extreme weather like the Arctic or Sahara, you don't need Synthetic.

So yes, Synthetic do have certain advantages over Mineral but Oil Change Interval is NOT one of them. PERIOD.
I prefers to use my head than follow the crowd. After all, it is my money and not theirs.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:03 AM

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QUOTE (Tourist @ Jan 25 2012, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Synthetic can withstand higher temperature etc without breaking down (but we are not likely to encounter this in our climate even for Mineral for normal use). They are more slippery and some people may feel their car being 'lighter' or more powerful. Even slightly better fuel consumption. Personally, I do not find the high cost justify all these advantages but some people have money to burn.

IMO, unless you drive your car in extreme weather like the Arctic or Sahara, you don't need Synthetic.

So yes, Synthetic do have certain advantages over Mineral but Oil Change Interval is NOT one of them. PERIOD.


Hi Tourist,

For Exora Bold, since the engine is turbo like, is it going to be much higher temperature, and does require semi syn or fully syn per your explanation above?


Regards,
CK

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:35 PM

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ok, went for the test drives. i was die hard anti protons after all my experience of broken door handles, stuck power windows, leaky headlight, rusted roof, etc.

first off, the back cabin is row. for children its ok, definitely not adults. this is medium mpv, moving in out needs efforts.

interior finishing is typical of proton. cheap stuff everywhere. plstic feel is still there.

once the engine is on, can feel the vibration of engine for the new car. the power steering fluid is like boiling. this is rather annoying and disappointing to see.

back in the cabin, i can feel the engine compartment intrusion, the detachment is typically not found on a new car. this is later confirmed after I return from test drive, which the engine had already warmed up.

on the test drive, I can hit 160kmh with easy. kudo for the speedy and smooth engine and transmission. for mpv, the sense of stability when cornering has the lack of my confidence. I would stick to the legal speed at cornering.

NVH department has rooms for improvement. so if u are driving the jap mpv so pls dont expect miracles. miracles are efforts and attention to details for making it happen.

u may find my review brute and raw, so if i hav offended the community, I sincerely regretted it.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:09 PM

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bro, we accept any review...

anyway with this kind of price, for me satisfy alr...



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Posted 27 January 2012 - 09:36 AM

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QUOTE (mitkey @ Jan 26 2012, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok, went for the test drives. i was die hard anti protons after all my experience of broken door handles, stuck power windows, leaky headlight, rusted roof, etc.

first off, the back cabin is row. for children its ok, definitely not adults. this is medium mpv, moving in out needs efforts.

interior finishing is typical of proton. cheap stuff everywhere. plstic feel is still there.

once the engine is on, can feel the vibration of engine for the new car. the power steering fluid is like boiling. this is rather annoying and disappointing to see.

back in the cabin, i can feel the engine compartment intrusion, the detachment is typically not found on a new car. this is later confirmed after I return from test drive, which the engine had already warmed up.

on the test drive, I can hit 160kmh with easy. kudo for the speedy and smooth engine and transmission. for mpv, the sense of stability when cornering has the lack of my confidence. I would stick to the legal speed at cornering.

NVH department has rooms for improvement. so if u are driving the jap mpv so pls dont expect miracles. miracles are efforts and attention to details for making it happen.

u may find my review brute and raw, so if i hav offended the community, I sincerely regretted it.



1. Sat at the back (3rd row) and it's pretty okay to me. I'm 178cm. For old folks yes, 3rd row would not be a suitable seating for them.

2. You say interior is cheap? Which car isn't? I tested the Toyota Innova 2.0G right after the proton. It's 110K and i must say, pretty horrible.

Noise/sound insulation is much worse than the exora. Dash board plastic was flimsy. Plastic panelling below the A pillar showed poor workman ship and the cover was pretty much jutting out. Kneel down and look below the dashboard, proton also looks better. Look outside the car, at the back, under the tyre arches, you can pretty much see everything under there, metal, exhaust pipe, leaf springs and what not.

I come from a family of toyota's, honda's, mercs and what not, however i do not believe in buying a car with a hefty price tag, eventhough it is within affordable means.

End of the day, it's up to the individual and how much dough you're willing to throw away. Proton hit's the sweet spot and it really drives like a car+ acceptable performance and not like a blardy van.

Still waiting for updates of current owners. If all goes well, October 2012-Plum red baby!


Cheers,
K

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:47 PM

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QUOTE (triketra84 @ Jan 27 2012, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Sat at the back (3rd row) and it's pretty okay to me. I'm 178cm. For old folks yes, 3rd row would not be a suitable seating for them.

2. You say interior is cheap? Which car isn't? I tested the Toyota Innova 2.0G right after the proton. It's 110K and i must say, pretty horrible.

Noise/sound insulation is much worse than the exora. Dash board plastic was flimsy. Plastic panelling below the A pillar showed poor workman ship and the cover was pretty much jutting out. Kneel down and look below the dashboard, proton also looks better. Look outside the car, at the back, under the tyre arches, you can pretty much see everything under there, metal, exhaust pipe, leaf springs and what not.

I come from a family of toyota's, honda's, mercs and what not, however i do not believe in buying a car with a hefty price tag, eventhough it is within affordable means.

End of the day, it's up to the individual and how much dough you're willing to throw away. Proton hit's the sweet spot and it really drives like a car+ acceptable performance and not like a blardy van.

Still waiting for updates of current owners. If all goes well, October 2012-Plum red baby!

Cheers,
K


agree for what u said... i am one of the elegant brown owner...so far so good. smile_thumbup.gif smile_thumbup.gif